java - Biggest GWT Pitfalls?

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I'll start by saying that I'm a massive GWT fan, but yes there are many pitfalls, but most if not all we were able to overcome:

Problem: Long compile times, as your project grows so does the amount of time it takes to compile it. I've heard of reports of 20 minute compiles, but mine are on average about 1 minute.

Solution: Split your code into separate modules, and tell ant to only build it when it's changed. Also while developing, you can massively speed up compile times by only building for one browser. You can do this by putting this into your .gwt.xml file:

<set-property name="user.agent" value="gecko1_8" /> 

Where gecko1_8 is Firefox 2+, ie6 is IE, etc.


Problem: Hosted mode is very slow (on OS X at least) and does not come close to matching the 'live' changes you get when you edit things like JSPs or Rails pages and hit refresh in your browser.

Solution: You can give the hosted mode more memory (I generally got for 512M) but it's still slow, I've found once you get good enough with GWT you stop using this. You make a large chunk of changes, then compile for just one browser (generally 20s worth of compile) and then just hit refresh in your browser.

Update: With GWT 2.0+ this is no longer an issue, because you use the new 'Development Mode'. It basically means you can run code directly in your browser of choice, so no loss of speed, plus you can firebug/inspect it, etc.

http://code.google.com/p/google-web-toolkit/wiki/UsingOOPHM


Problem: GWT code is java, and has a different mentality to laying out a HTML page, which makes taking a HTML design and turning it into GWT harder

Solution: Again you get used to this, but unfortunately converting a HTML design to a GWT design is always going to be slower than doing something like converting a HTML design to a JSP page.


Problem: GWT takes a bit of getting your head around, and is not yet mainstream. Meaning that most developers that join your team or maintain your code will have to learn it from scratch

Solution: It remains to be seen if GWT will take off, but if you're a company in control of who you hire, then you can always choose people that either know GWT or want to learn it.


Problem: GWT is a sledgehammer compared to something like jquery or just plain javascript. It takes a lot more setup to get it happening than just including a JS file.

Solution: Use libraries like jquery for smaller, simple tasks that are suited to those. Use GWT when you want to build something truly complex in AJAX, or where you need to pass your data back and forth via the RPC mechanism.


Problem: Sometimes in order to populate your GWT page, you need to make a server call when the page first loads. It can be annoying for the user to sit there and watch a loading symbol while you fetch the data you need.

Solution: In the case of a JSP page, your page was already rendered by the server before becoming HTML, so you can actually make all your GWT calls then, and pre-load them onto the page, for an instant load. See here for details:

Speed up Page Loading by pre-serializing your GWT calls


I've never had any problems CSS styling my widgets, out of the box, custom or otherwise, so I don't know what you mean by that being a pitfall?

As for performance, I've always found that once compiled GWT code is fast, and AJAX calls are nearly always smaller than doing a whole page refresh, but that's not really unique to GWT, though the native RPC packets that you get if you use a JAVA back end are pretty compact.

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We have been working with gwt for almost 2 years. We have learned a lot of lessons. Here is what we think:

  1. Dont use third party widget libraries especially gwt-ext. It will kill your debugging, development and runtime performance. If you have questions about how this happens, contact me directly.

  2. Use gwt to only fill in the dynamic parts of your apps. So if you have some complex user interactions with lots of fields. However, don't use the panels that come with it. Take your existing stock designer supplied pages. Carve out the areas that will contain the controls for your app. Attach these controls to the page within onModuleLoad(). This way you can use the standard pages from your designer and also do all the styling outside the gwt.

  3. Don't build the entire app as one standard page that then dynamically builds all the pieces. If you do what I suggest in item 2, this won't happen anyway. If you build everything dynamically you will kill performance and consume huge amounts of memory for medium to large apps. Also, if you do what I am suggesting, the back button will work great, so will search engine indexing etc.

The other commenters also had some good suggestions. The rule of thumb i use is to create pages like you were doing a standard web page. Then carve out the pieces that need to be dynamic. Replace them with elements that have id's and then use RootPanel.get( id ).add( widget ) to fill those areas in.

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Pitfalls that we've run into:

  • While you can get a lot of mileage from using something like GWT EXT, any time you use this sort of thin veneer on top of a JavaScript library, you lose the ability to debug. More than once I've bashed my head on the desk because I cannot inspect (inside my IntelliJ debugger) what's happening in the GWT EXT table class... All you can see is that it's a JavaScriptObject. This makes it quite difficult to figure out what's gone wrong...

  • Not having someone on your team who knows CSS. From my experience, it didn't matter that the person wasn't expert...it's enough that he has some good working knowledge, and knows the right terms to google when necessary.

  • Debugging across browsers. Keep an eye on Out of Process Hosted Mode[1][2][3], hopefully coming in GWT 1.6... For now, you just have to get things good with hosted mode, then use the "Compile/Browse" button, where you can play with other browsers. For me, working on Windows, this means I can view my work in FireFox, and use FireBug to help tweak and make things better.

  • IE6. It's amazing how different IE 6 will render things. I've taken the approach of applying a style to the outermost "viewport" according to the browser so that I can have CSS rules like:

    .my-style { /* stuff that works most everywhere */ }  .msie6 .my-style { /* "override" so that styles work on IE 6 */ } 

Finally, make sure you use an editor that helps you. I use IntelliJ -- it's got lots of GWT smarts. E.g., If I try to use a class that isn't handled by the JRE emulation, it lets me know; if I specify a style for a widget, and I haven't defined that style yet, the code gets the little red squiggly... Or, when looking at the CSS, it will tell me when I've specified conflicting attributes in a single rule. (I haven't tried it yet, but I understand that version 8 has even better GWT support, like keeping the "local" and "async" RPC interfaces and implementations in sync.)

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GWT 2.0, which is supposed to come out sometime in the next few months, solves a lot of the issues discussed.

  • Create layouts using an html/xml like syntax
  • Dynamic Script Loading - only the essential JS will be downloaded initially. The rest will be downloaded as needed
  • In-Browser Hosted Mode - This might take care of the hosted mode speed issues discussed, among other benefits
  • "Compiler Optimizations" - Faster compilation, hopefully

GWT 2.0 Preview Video at Google I/O

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Not "unable to be overcome" but a bit of a pain for something basic.

Date handling:

GWT uses the deprecated java.util.Date which can lead to unexpected behaviour when dealing with dates on the client side. java.util.Calendar is not supported by GWT. More info here.

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